I find that the truth of a situation is better said than trying to preserve feelings. I was taught that a true friend tells the truth even when it hurts. Now I know a lot of your thoughts on the rfp process are subjective but that does not make what you feel any less true.

I say go for it. Blog away and let the truth speak for itself.

John

One comment on the mechanics of commenting on blogs:
I’m sometimes unsure that the way we comment on blogs is ideal. Just as one example, John Trigg posted something about one of your blog posts to TheIntegratedLab.com. I commented on it, there. At the same time, you probably got some comments directly to your blog. Now, the comments are split among multiple places and those readers with an interest are going to miss some points that might be interesting. As such, I wonder if there is a good way to recognize/associate/reference all the comments?

As for conferences, I would add to what you said. For one, there seem to be too many similar conferences within the same timeframe. Why are so many conferences jammed into Jan/Feb/Mar, for example? One successful conference I’d fairly recently attended was the LRIG NE (Laboratory Robotics Interest Group – New England) vendor exhibition. It was a standout success. Going along with your comment, maybe people attended it more heavily knowing a non-profit group was sponsoring it? I think it had a lot to do with the location where there is a large concentration of interested people in a tiny geographic area (Cambridge, MA, USA). Also, it is so much cheaper and easier to go to a local conference than one of the big ones. A lot of people I spoke with specifically mentioned that, both exhibiting vendors and attendees.

I’d like us to be able to get to a place where I post on something of interest, and that sparks a thought which causes you to post on your blog – referencing mine (pingbacks take care of this). Not only does process cause us both to enrich our perspective, but people reading can see how things develop and interrelate.

Blog conversations can extend over large periods of time – I am surprised how much interest I get for “Old” posts. A network of independent blogs quickly becomes a knowledge base which is invaluable to anyone new to the industry, and for me all that’s needed is for a few people (who have a degree of experience) to get out there and start to think in public.

As an aside, whilst the attendance at ELN conferences is dropping, it is still very valuable as a forum for “The Industry” to get together – which is what CENSA did in the early days. I’d really like to get a kernel of a blogging community going before the conference scene ceases to be a useful venue.

I think the Groups (like LinkedIn) serve a different and perhaps complimentary purpose – perhaps they are like meeting rooms where people pop in and out, but they tend not to generate much perceptive discussion. In addition one loudmouthed idiot in a group can quickly ruin it, but if they are blogging they’ll just get ignored.

So as I write this I’m coming to the conclusion that we really need to start creating a knowledge base, and the only way I can see that coming about is via a series of blogs. Conferences are only really useful in the moment and are losing their effectiveness even then (dirty little secret about conferences is they are ruthlessly commercial, and focused on the needs of the sponsors, not the delegates). Groups are useful but the dynamics don’t easily lead to the creation of a knowledge base which can be reused.

If the ELN industry is going to flourish we need to figure out how to solve the considerable challenges we face. I’m starting to see a number of companies who bought a “safe” product now come back round following a failure, and few ELN projects meet their potential. There’s a lot for us to talk about!

I see your point that blogs are a way for more people to share more opinions. They’re a way to provide a variety of thoughts beyond that which a handful of magazine subscriptions would provide in a world where things change too fast and have too wide a variety to depend only on those few scheduled periodicals. We no longer flip through a magazine to the column you like, we merely subscribe only to the RSS feeds that we specifically have an interest in and ignore the rest.

But you oversimplify the theory of sharing of ideas on the Internet. While it might sometimes be open, we do not so freely and naturally share them. For example, as we join and leave various groups, it is so easy to do, that we no longer need to stay around to see whether a group strikes a balance. When I join a group that I see full of advertising, I almost immediately leave. When I join a group that is long-established, enter it, and see no posts, I leave and move along to other pastures. Some people join and stay, hoping the situation will improve, but often forgetting to return to check on that.

These groups are not like a conference discussion where we are stuck in our seats, embarrassed to leave if we’re bored or uninterested. These days, we just go without staying around to see if the balance is struck. And maybe, we leave to start our own group, because it is just that easy, now. Nor are we so devoted to these groups that we would feel the need to stick it out. They do not provide the same feeling of loyalty and camaraderie that we have with our more formal in-person professional organizations. Thus, the idea that a final balance is created is not usually the outcome of these groups.

I’m open to dropping the restriction about referencing elsewhere. It was really designed as protection from miss-quotation and also problems if opinion was moved outside the signoff that participants will not take legal action against each other.

This statement was explicitly put in place as protection against litigious suppliers in this space being over zealous in protecting their trademarks. Which amounts to a restraint of trade in many cases.

Lets hope others follow suit and actually engage in discussion which is definately needed.

I would like to take a look. Please forward to me if you would care to.

Thx,

John H. Jones

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gene

You beat me to the punch. I was going to post that Dilbert on my blog! Darn it!

John

I agree that “ELN” by itself is too general and misleading. However, it also is a very useful shortcut for describing the kind of work we’re trying to do. What’s missing is the context. What would be helpful would be a common set of modifiers we could use singularly or in combination: IP protection, compliance, work flow management, collaboration, data management, etc. Then, whenever we start a conversation about a specific ELN project, we can identify the kind of ELN we are trying to build. And because we have a common vocabulary, it would make sense to the listeners.

We’re not there yet, which is your point.

Agree completely. That is exactly our perspective at LabLynx with our LIMS product. However, SaaS does something that the traditional software model cannot do easily. It provides instant gratification when it comes to trying out the software.

If you have ever tried to deal with installation of Open Source (OS) apps, you know what a PITA it is. SaaS is a real benefit to OS apps. Now with the inclusion of OS applications as a SaaS delivery, they can become more mainstream and can be better monetized by the software developer.

I created: http://www.saasforscience.com just for this purpose. For your ELN product, please feel free to go to this site and create your own group like what I did for OpenClinica and then invite folks to join your group. The idea is to build a big marketplace for SaaS applications that vendors can create their own groups for free and users can join for free. It is all free because it costs me nothing and a big community is better for all of us.

So the point is… SaaS affords instant gratification to the vendors and users and helps cut the time line down between the thought that you need a system and finally having one.

Thx,

John

That is too funny! I love it. Been there, done that. Now on a more serious note… Stop complaining, do something about it. I did. I create a LIMS requirements specification that is made freely available to all competitors and clients alike. In fact I formed a whole non-profit company around the concept and I do truly mean, non-profit. It is the Laboratory Informatics Institute.

If you go to my Linkedin group: http://limsdownload.com you can download a copy of the LIMSpec. Take that and create your own specification for an ELN. Trust me, folks need this sort of thing. We have thousands of customers who have downloaded the spec and had used it to create their tenders. We lose as many of those bids as we gain but the benefit is that we and our competitors have already created the answers to the questions so everytime we have to answer one of these rfp’s, it gets easier and easier. It really is a cut and paste job with tweaking to fit the customer’s changes.

I encourage you to do the same for ELN’s and send it to me. I will promote it all over the place and then finally, doing an ELN rfp response will not be the stick-in-the-eye that it has always been.

Good Luck,

John H. Jones
President – LabLynx, Inc. & Laboratory Informatics Institute
770-312-9600